Are Jesus and Michael one and the same?

Scripture: Daniel 12:1, Jude 1:9, Joshua 5:13-15
Who is Michael the Archangel in the Bible? Is this Jesus? Jesus is certainly not an angel and Michael is never called an angel, but an Archangel.
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Michael / AKA CherubRam
Michael / AKA CherubRam

It is impossible for Michael to be Jesus. (Yahshua)
Revelation 12:7-11
So how did Michael and his angels (messengers) overcome Satan?

Answer: By the Blood of the Lamb, and the word of their testimony.

So if Michael and his messengers overcame Satan by the blood of the LAMB, then Michael cannot be the Lamb?

Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the an

Brown-Driver-Briggs makes a very good argument for the word "sar" meaning royalty, in Assyrian. (King)

However, using another language to translate a word can be both helpful, and misleading. What they did not take into consideration is the fact that royalty also acted as ministers. (As in, ministering in peace.) Or, (Minister of the faith.) The Hebrew word "Sar" is best translated as "Minister." The Hebrew word "Sar" should never be given a translation as having to do with royalty.

Brown-Driver-Briggs
שַׂר 420 noun masculine chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, prince (Late Hebrew especially of angels; Assyrian šarru, king)

If the word is spelled like this in Hebrew, then the word is "minister."

שַׂר
Minister
3 years ago
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Michael / AKA CherubRam
CherubRam

Christ speaking to Daniel about Michael.
Daniel 10:5-6
5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. 6 His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.

Speaking of the last days.
Dan 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Dan12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up,…

So how do we know the person speaking to Daniel is Christ, it is because the book of Revelation tells us so?
Revelation 1:13-15
13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.

Revelation 2:18
To the Church in Thyatira
“To the messenger of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.

Odd.
Revelation 1:13
13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest.

The Greek text says his "breast" were bound. (girded) But the translators gave the interpretation "chest."

Although not impossible, just extremely unlikely. Perhaps someone thought it funny to replace the word "waist" with "breast."
8 years ago
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Maxximiliann
Revelation likewise clearly shows Jesus as the Chief of an army of loyal angels. (Revelation 19: 14-16)
Moreover, the apostle Paul expressly mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7)
Accordingly, the Bible talks about of both Michael and “his angels” as well as Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24 :31; 1 Peter 3 :22)
Since the Bible does not speak of two separate groups of loyal angels it is only reasonable to conclude that Jesus is Michael.
8 years ago
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moemorales
If there is only one archangel, why does the word "an" appear before the word "archangel" in this verse implying that there is more than one?"
The Greek word used at 1 Thess. 4:16 in the New Testament text is in the Genitive case. This means that even if there is no article ('the') with it, it can still be understood to be definite ('the archangel'). That is why The NRSV has "with the archangel's call" and The Revised English Bible has "the archangel's voice is heard" and the New Jerusalem Bible has "At the signal given by the voice of the Archangel". (Also compare the ASV, BBE, CBE, GNT, HNV, CSB, KJV, LEB, NAS, NCV, NIRV, NIV, NLT, RSV, TMB, TNIV, TYN, WEB and GOD'S WORD Translation Bibles.)
8 years ago
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moemorales
It is obvious that grammatically the word "this" (outos) could be referring to either the Father or Jesus in this particular scripture (see the footnote for 1 John 5:20 in the very trinitarian NIV Study Bible). But the fact that the true God (or "the true One") has just been identified as the Father of Jesus (1 Jn 5:20, TEV and GNB) makes it highly probable that "this is the true God" refers to the Father, not Jesus. The highly trinitarian NT scholar Murray J. Harris sums up his 13-page analysis of this scripture as follows:
"Although it is certainly possible that outos refers back to Jesus Christ, several converging lines of evidence point to the true one,' God the Father, as the probable antecedent. This position, outos = God [Father], is held by many commentators, authors of general studies, and significantly, by those grammarians who express an opinion on the matter." - p. 253, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992. Notice how this trinitarian scholar actually admits that the probability is that the Father (not Jesus) is being called the true God here. He even tells us (and cites examples in his footnotes) that New Testament grammarians and commentators (most of them trinitarian, of course) agree! So this single "proof" that the "true God" is a title for anyone other than the Father alone is not proof at all. The grammar alone merely makes it a possibility. The immediate context makes it highly improbable since (as in all other uses of the term) the true God (or the true one) was just identified as the Father ("We are in the one who is true as we are in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and this is eternal life." - NJB; and "We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we know the true God. We live in union with the true God - in union with his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and this is eternal life." - TEV.). So the immediate context alone makes it probable that the true God is the Father in this scripture also. As we have seen, if we include the context of all the uses of the true God,' it is certain that He is the Father alone (whose personal name is Jehovah - Ps. 83:18, Ex. 3:15).
To clinch John's intended meaning at 1 John 5:20, let's look another use of the term: John 17:1, 3, where, again (as in 1 Jn 5:20), he mentions Father, Son, and eternal life.
At John 17:1, 3 Jesus prays to the Father: “Father, .... this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” - New International Version (NIV). Here the Father alone is not only very clearly identified as the only true [alethinos] God, but Jesus Christ is again pointedly and specifically excluded from that identification (“AND Jesus Christ whom you [the only true God] have sent”)!
Notice how this respected trinitarian Bible has rendered John 17:1, 3 - “Father,....This is eternal life: to know thee who alone art truly God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” - New English Bible (NEB).
So, the title “the true God” does not have to mean that there are no others who may be called “gods” or “a god” in a subordinate but righteous sense. It is, however, an exclusive title for God, the Most High, only true God, Jehovah. And clearly it refers exclusively to the Father! No one else is the God or the True God! (Compare Ps. 86:10; 2 Kings 19:19; Is. 37:16.)
8 years ago
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Anonymous
I think everyone here should get a better grip on reality, and Bible study, so that they can better Understand the truth. First let me begin with something simple, Jesus was called by many names, one of those was "The Only Begotten, Son Of God", then secondly, the fact that Jesus was also called the word of God, and thirdly, Jesus created everything under His Fathers direction, and created everything! even the angels. Jesus is not an angel, and He created them! He is Not Michael The Archangel, He created Michael, would all of You get deep enough in the study of God's word, that You would at least understand it enough to get it right? Thanks, and everyone be Blessed ! p.s. Son of God, means exactly what it say's Therefore Jesus is God as He is God's Son, He is Not, I repeat not an angel.
Hebrews 1:2
“Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
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Anonymous
How can we be sure that Michael is another name for Jesus consider the following scripture evidence.Daniel 10:13,21) Daniel 12:1) revelation 12::7) 1 Thessalonians 4:16 ) Philippians 2:9) Luke 1:31)John 3:13;8:23,58) so Michael the archangel is Jesus After his resurrection and return to heaven to the glory of God the Father . Philippians 2:11. Jesus is not God he is the son . In psalm 83:18 ) May people know that you whose name is Jehovah you alone are the most high over the earth. Psalm 100:3 says Know that Jehovah is God he is the one who made us. John 3:16 says Jesus is the only begotten son so Jesus is also the only one Jehovah God used to create all other things so yes Jesus did help his Father in create all things . Some people believe that Jesus and God are the same person but that's not what the bible teaches. The bible says that Jesus was created, which means that Jesus had a beginning .but Jehovah who created all things had no beginning psalm 90:2) as Gods son Jesus never thought of trying to be God.the bible clearly says that the Father is greater than the son read John 14:18; 1 Corinthians 11:3) another thing in bible times there was ones who saw Jesus why he was on earth and it says that nobody has seen the Father and lived. The night before Jesus death Jesus prayed to the Father so if Jesus is God your saying he prayed to himself no is did not he was praying to the Father.
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Anonymous
It's really simple how can we can be sure, first read the first chapter of John, second just know, that before anything was created, that the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit existed, and last Since Jesus is The Only Begotten son of God and has been around since before the beginning, and made everything, keep in mind that Angels are created beings, Jesus is The Son of God, he's not an Angel, Michael was created as were the rest of the Angels, when Jesus was born (as A Human) and When He Was taken Back to Heaven, Michael made that Happen, under direction of God The Father. What I'm really trying to enlighten You to is the fact that Jesus is God's Only begotten Son. Michael is The Archangel, Jesus is Not an Angel, He's The Son of the almighty, and heir to all things. I hope this has helped you to understand better, and no He didn't pray to himself He Prayed to His Dad/Father.
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Anonymous
Loretta - Michael is the Name of the Archangel - Jesus is Not an angel, Jesus is the Son Of God, and according to the Bible, The Only Begotten Son of God, second He is The Son of God and Creator of everything, He is also Heir to the Throne, He created Micheal The Archangel, He is Not Michael The Archangel, also When he was Born as a human, and died, and went back to Heaven, to sit at his Fathers Right Hand, Michael was the Angel that helped all this to transpire, under orders From God. and I know what Genesis 1 says about creation, that God Created everything, but, Perhaps Reading The First Chapter of John, Might help to explain things a bit more to you, Jesus actually created everything per His Fathers orders. I'm a bit confused when You said Jesus was created, I will agree that He had a starting point being The Only Begotten Son of God, but, due to the biblical facts That Jesus created everything under his Fathers orders, let's us clearly see, that He (Jesus) actually was Present, even before the Angels or anything was created. On the praying part to his father, yes he indeed did Pray to his Father, because He's not The Father, but, The Son. Now if You wanted to discuss The Trinity, i.e. God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit, I'm gonna say I'm not really qualified to explain something I don't fully comprehend, except to say That all 3 work as one. but, understanding something you read is really simple, the spirit <<<---- The Holy Spirit, moved on the face of the waters, or Jesus<<<<<-----The Son of God, Or God<<<<<<<------ The Father, in explanation of that all I can say is there is a verse in the Bible somewhere, that instructs us to pray for wisdom before we study God's Word. Hopefully, I have cleared up what You thought I implied, but, I never said that Jesus Prayed to Himself, I was trying to dispel the common mistake people make about Michael and Jesus being one of the same, this is not true for 2 reasons, first reason is Jesus is THE SON of God, Secondly Michael is The Archangel, and a son of God (a created being or spirit). Son shows family lineage, son shows something that was created, such as an angel or even a human. My Name is James, I am the Son of James. But, if I said My name is James, and I am a son of God, would it have made sense? Angels can't claim Son status, Jesus on the other hand can, because He is The Son Of God, He is also the son of God, since because of his earthly mission, he was also born as a human.Michael is a created being or spirit if You will, Michael wasn't born he was created. Maybe it would help if I explained it in quick Order, God is God, Jesus is The Only Begotten Son of God (being the Son of God he is also a God) yet Not The Father. everything in existence after that is created, including Angels, then the creation of Earth, ect.
8 years ago
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dottiejelinek
Good morning to my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Jesus has many names in the Bible Advocate Bread of Life Beloved Son of God Bridegroom Chief Cornerstone Deliverer Good Shepherd Great High Priest Head of the Church Holy Servant I AM Emanuel Judge King of Kings Lamb of God Light of the world Lion of the Tribe of Judah Lord of All Mediator Messiah Michael Mighty One Prince of Peace Profit Redeemer Risen Lord Rock Savior Son of Man Son of the Most High The Resurrection and the Life The Door The Way The Word Truevine Victorious One Wonderful Counselor Mighty God Everlasting Father Prince of Peace.
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hailehinton
I'm still on the fence. Both sides of the argument are sound. I'm mainly concerned about 'archangel.' By 10 commandment law, angels should not be depicted orc worshipped. Jesus is worshipped and has many images around the world. Jesus and Michael being one? I'm still on the fence.
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Anonymous
2 Thessalonians chapter 1 verse 7: Jesus with HIS angels
Revelation chapter 12 verse 7: Michael and HIS angels
Daniel chapter 12 verse 1 at that time Michael the great prince who protects your people,
((((WILL ARISE))))
Matthew chapter 22 verse 44: ...SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND
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Anonymous
Is it not true that Angels is on missions?
WHY IS THERE ONE ARCHANGEL THAT ARE SITTING AND WAITING TO ((((ARISE))))
Study your bible my brothers and sisters
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Anonymous
read John the first chapter maybe this will help, Jesus created Michael The Archangel and if He created everything under direction of His Father, how can he be something he created?
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Anonymous
I have the King James Bible and nowhere in John chapter1 does it mention what you are saying no mention whatsoever of michael being a created being
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Anonymous
WOW thank you dear brother in christ for explanation now i understand Jesus christ is archangel Michael thank you.
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Anonymous
Yes offcourse Jesus is worshipped HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAVE THE CREATORS POWER :) Daniel c 7 v 13-14
9 years ago
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Pickee
Arch means Chief. Jesus is literally Chief of the Angels. That doesn't mean He is an angel. The name Michael clarifies that He is like God while still being Chief of (or over) the Angels.
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Anonymous
Jesus is Not an Angel, He is The Only begotten Son of God, He created the Angels, He is Not an Angel. He is The Heir to His Fathers Throne, as He is His Son.
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snejannalavrov
Angels are sons of God aka gods. The Archangel is the Son of God aka a god.
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diyar_komby
Dont get me wrong I am today just a ordinary Christian.
And i visit all kind of churches.
What i have learned is what i speak and teach.
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stephenstevesponsler
Fine, then God is also an angel. "I and the Father are One, if you have Seen Me you've Seen the Father". Regardless of Peters Confession that He is The Christ, The Son of the Living God who is 'The WORD' who was with God in the Beginning, and was God. God cannot be an Angel and God at the same time. That contradicts His Nature of Immutability. We were strictly alerted to that 'if any one preaches to you another Gospel or another Jesus, let them be accursed!"..are you going to tell us that it took 1800 years to realize Jesus was actually and angel and the rest of the world has it wrong all because some woman had some kind of visions? How does this differ from Mormonism? Let alone Jehovah's Witness, even Islam? TO be Truly Free of the legalistic man-made religions ..come to the KNowledge of God..and This Is ETERNAL LIFE that they Know YOu, and Jesus Christ whom you have Sent. He never called Himself 'an angel' and they crucified Him because of the IMplcation that He is The Son of God..Michael is 'not another name'..there is no such thing.
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Anonymous
Neither God The Father, Nor God The Son (Jesus), are Angels, They Are The Creators, Angels are Created, When This Earth was Created, And When Man Were Created, they are creations of the Most High, Angels are Angels, Humans Are Humans, And Gods Are God. Since Jesus is The Son of God and Heir To the throne, He is also a God, at the same time He understands fully that God Is His Father, why do people not understand the depth of something and complicate it so with Doctrine? The Bible is pretty simple, and every time you read it, it is gonna say the same thing it did, the last time you read it, and you're actually suppose to pray for understanding before You even start studying the word.
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Anonymous
jesus does have a beggining. god does not. several texts say jesus was the first of gods creation and that he helped god create all other things. how come jesus refers to the father as his god? how come he says the words he speaks are not his own but the fathers? how come he is called the son. if god is three equal parts why is he assigned a lower rank?
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Anonymous
Steve people like you says always the same john chapter 1 verse 1 The Word Was God..
Have you ever thought about after milk you need food?? :) Hebrew chapter 5 verse 13-14
Back to the book of John chapter 8 verse 28: Jesus says: as the Father have teached me.
IF the almighty creator and Jesus would be the same being would the Creator had to teach HIMSELF?????
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anthronshuler
In the Jewish tradition, they also believe that if you see an angel eye to eye that you will die. You made a great point and I agree 1,000%
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destiniingoldsby
I couldn't have said it better, Amen! Praise Jesus - Let truth resound and Glory Be to God!
Great scriptural proof that Jesus is infact God, not a god, not just God's Son, not Michael or another archangel... but infact God
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AFacts_Editor
Hi, Steve. Thanks for writing. Amazing Facts does not teach that God or Jesus is an angel or created being. We invite you to read Pastor Doug's book about this subject in detail: https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/85/t/who-is-michael-the-archangel. God bless you!
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Anonymous
My beloved brothers and sisters in Christ
If you think Our creator Yahweh and Jesus Christ are the same Being,
Guess how Yahweh was talking with in Genesis chapter 1 verse 26:
LET US MAKE MANKIND IN OUR IMAGE, IN OUR LIKENESS,
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Anonymous
Revelation chapter 12 verse 7: Then war broke out in heaven Michael and HIS ANGELS...
Revelation chapter 22 verse 16: I jesus have sent MY ANGEL
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william_alcalde
Heaven ready king throne name Michael, other name only heaven later God decision talked to son agree turn back to earth get woman name mary clean virgin, good woman and God choice and put in mary begin pregnant when angel guard light great power tell mary baby boy name Jesus !!! why angel tell mary baby boy name Jesus who are Jesus ?? million years in past BC know words messenge habit when forward future year change AD baby boy name Jesus make Jew people/ priest mind confuse see bible script not there name Jesus and bible script yes there name Messenge !!! bible script old testament many years until add new testament appear ??? begin enemies not agree name Jesus wrte put in bible add new testament how begin enemies worse it.
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gtloyal
The only way anyone can know this is for it to be stated in the Bible.
So far, none of the verses quoted in the comments here states clearly that the two are one and the same. Neither have I seen it anywhere else in the good book.
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Anonymous
Jude 9. Answers the question. Michael, the Archangel, disputed with Satan for the body of Moses, Instead of asserting his own authority, Michael said "The Lord rebuke thee." Two different celestial beings.
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nikaylianga
yes and the lord jesus rebuked satan himself not saying the same as michael.
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Anonymous
and yet michael casts satan from heaven. thats a bit more than rebuke wouldnt you say?
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Pickee
You have only proven that the Father and Son are two different Beings. Jesus was referencing His Father.
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destiniingoldsby
Th Father, Son & Holy Spirit are all 3 different personages - yet scripture states that all 3 call themselves God.
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Anonymous
show me a text where jesus calls himself god. or where the holy spirit does please...?
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Anonymous
Apologetics guys.
bible is full of parables, but we got to ask the holy spirit to guide us as God gave us an authority to secrets of heaven but still we are blind. so Jesus I think is Archangel Michael.
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Anonymous
1 Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 16 : The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with the voice of the ARCHANGEL..
If this is a problem to understand then it is up to you..
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Anonymous
Lord is just a title. Both Jehovah and Jesus have been referred to as Lord in different scriptures. You have to read more than one scripture to be able to discern which is being talked about. It's not difficult! We know that Jehovah sent his only begotten son, the one who has been with him in heaven since the beginning! What other form other than angel(celestial being) could he possibly be? Regardless, Jehovah gave Jesus much authority to do different things that NO other angel(Celestial being) would have.
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nikaylianga
angels are messengers. servants. Moses was an angel. Jesus was a son. Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit.
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Anonymous
jesus was sent. he also then says who is higher the one who is sent or the one sending him? he functions as a messenger and a servant...
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sierrafrancisco
The named ArchAngelnis only a title it doesn't mean Jesus is an actual angel
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lornajeanharth
The name Angeleous (spelt wrong) actually means "angry angel"
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Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an ANGEL FROM HEAVEN should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
The gospel words came first out of jesus MOUTH
Galatians 4: 14
you welcomed me as if I were an ANGEL OF GOD, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.
AGAIN PROOF JESUS IS A ANGEL
Luke 11:1
One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.
WHO WAS JESUS PRAYING TO????
Luke 10:18
"Yes," he told them, "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!
WHO WAS IN WAR AGAINST SATAN IN HEAVEN????
Revelation 12:7
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
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lornajeanharth
Yahuwah alone is responsible for providing the world with inspired writings, writings of which He alone is the
author. “All scripture is given by inspiration of Yahuwah, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of Yahuwah may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16 and 17)
“If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of Yahuwah, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and
it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.”
(James 1:5 and 6)
To the
law and to the testimony. if they speak not according to this
word, it is because there is no light in them." -Isa. 8:20.
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Anonymous
Yahuwah in English is then pronounced as Jehovah from the Hebrew letters YHWH. So yes, Jesus was praying to Jehovah God, his father.
   Q. Does Scripture say that Michael and Jesus are one in the same?

   This is a very controversial subject that is often misunderstood. And it is not a point of salvation, though I think it helps us to understand Jesus and His role a little bit more.

   Many Christians believe that the Michael who appears in the Bible is Christ. They don't believe that Jesus is an angel, because Michael is never actually called an angel in the Bible He's only called the archangel.

   I believe that this archangel Michael is one of the ways that Jesus appeared to people, especially in the Old Testament. Here are some Scriptures that lend to this belief. The Bible tells us that it is Michael who intercedes for God's people in Daniel 12:1. Jesus is also known as our Intercessor. When this archangel, the general of the Lord's army appeared to Joshua, Joshua took off his shoes and worshiped him.

   We also read in the book of Jude that it is Michael who resurrects Moses. And of course, Jesus is the Resurrection. We also read that the Lord is going to descend with the voice of the archangel, and we know clearly that Jesus is the one who's going to descend.

   And so through the Bible, you see these little clues. Commentators like Matthew Henry and others believe that Michael was one of the pre-incarnate ways that Jesus appeared.

   For more on Michael, call Amazing Facts or go online for "Who Is Michael the Archangel," which goes even deeper into this study.

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