Christians and the Sabbath: A Recap

On March 30, thousands around the world watched the informative and engaging discussion between Pastor Doug Batchelor, president of Amazing Facts, and radio host Steve Gregg as the two explored the importance of the seventh-day Sabbath for Christians today. More than 600 people joined the live audience, and several thousand more participated in the live broadcast via social media and AmazingFacts.org. Many ministry friends were thrilled to hear God’s Word and the importance of the Sabbath underscored.

If you missed the presentation, click here to watch it!

The evening began with Gregg building the case that while Sabbath was an integral part of the first covenant God made with the Israelites, the day was nothing more than another part of the feasts and other holy days that God gave to the Israelites; according him, the day was to endure only as long as Israel endured. He then pointed to the New Testament and Christ, who came as the fulfillment of the law. According to Gregg, the work of Christ eliminates the need for a moral law because we answer to Him and to His standard of love to God and love to man. This new standard eliminates the need for a Sabbath of any kind for Christians today.

Pastor Doug responded by presenting the foundation of the Sabbath as established at Creation and followed its history through the Exodus to Mount Sinai. He highlighted the importance of the Sabbath Commandment as the keystone of the Ten Commandments, noting that it unites worship to God with rest for man. He continued by sharing Scriptures such as Isaiah 56:6, 7— which identifies the Sabbath as God’s sign for all people, including the foreigners who chose to be a part of God’s covenant people.

Pastor Doug went on to establish how Jesus and His disciples kept the Sabbath while Jesus was on earth. Indeed, three of the four gospels specifically mention how the women waited until after the Sabbath to finish the burial process for Christ after His death. Throughout the book of Acts, the early Christians continued to faithfully meet for worship on the Sabbath day.

In the book of Revelation, God’s end-time people are identified as commandment keepers: “Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:12). The Old Testament prophet Isaiah pointed forward to God’s faithful followers meeting each Sabbath for worship in heaven (Isaiah 66:22, 23). Throughout history, the Sabbath has been a central part of God’s plan for His people.

In addressing the issue of the why the Sabbath is still valid for us today, Pastor Doug pointed to the words of Christ in the Sermon on the Mount: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17, 18). He finished his presentation by sharing the benefits of the Sabbath—for rest, for worship, and for blessing.

Each presenter was given ten minutes to answer objections, and Gregg referred back to his original argument that the Ten Commandments are not part of the New Covenant given by Christ. He went on to identify Sabbath keeping as a symbol of bondage that was done away with under Christ. Pastor Doug responded by pointing to several key points: the self-evident truth of the Sabbath given at Creation for all people (Genesis 2) and the fact that it could not be a shadow or symbol because it was given to man before the sin of Adam and Eve. He also cited the importance of the covenant for Gentiles who are grafted into the stock of Abraham (Romans 11).

The final minutes were reserved for questions from the local and online audience. This gave an opportunity for clarification on several points; it also brought up new issues that had not been discussed in the original presentations.

Both Pastor Doug and Gregg gave a final summary at the end of the evening. Gregg maintained his point that the Sabbath is not meant as a literal day of worship for New Testament Christians, but a spiritual rest that is enjoyed every day. Pastor Doug pointed to the fact that the Sabbath commandment begins with the word “Remember” and that God is consistent throughout time. His law is the foundation of His government and character. It was our transgression of His law that required Jesus to come and die for our sins. In the final days of earth’s history, it is God’s truth that will be on trial.

Pastor Doug shared, “I generally shy away from doing these kind of events because they often descend into two doctrinally entrenched people facing off, creating more heat than light. I've heard Steve Gregg on the radio before and had confidence that he would be cordial and respectful in discussing this issue. The Bible presents ironclad evidence that New Testament Christians should continue to observe the Ten Commandments.”

He adds, “I was impressed that people need to hear both sides of the issue so they can be firm in their convictions for this important Bible truth. Since the debate, we have had several people contact us saying they were studying the Sabbath issue and are now convinced because of love for Christ they should keep all Ten Commandments.”

All of us at Amazing Facts pray that this event will bring people closer to Jesus, inspire them to study more in God’s Word, and encourage them to make God’s holy day a priority in their lives. If you would like materials to follow up on this presentation, here are some free resources that are available from Amazing Facts:

Answers about the Sabbath
Sabbath and Feast Days
Sabbath and the Covenant
Does the Day Matter
Sabbath and the Seal of God

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Michael
The end part was: Pastor Doug won, and Mr. Gregg lost the case!
7 years ago
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Anonymous
Sabbath originated from the Jews.....the early church kept it then what happened...."the beast would think to change times and laws." Clearly the devil infiltrated the catholic church and has become the mother of harlots. The churches today keep the sunday day of worship simply because of tradition.."we ought to obey God rather than men." We must obey the word and not men lest we receive the mark of the beast.
7 years ago
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Anonymous
Mark 7:6–13 JESUS is talking to the Pharisee. The discussion is about the man made ceremonial laws and JESUS basically calls the Pharisees hypocrites and that they are putting aside the
Commandments of God to observe their own traditions and says they are “nullifying the words of God buy your traditions that you have handed down”
“That they worship Him “in vain: their teaching”being “but rules taught by men”. And that they “let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the rules taught by men”. JESUS made the distinction between the commandments of GOD and the traditions of men. JESUS’ follower and the Pharisees would have known the difference between them and Jesus disciples would never have gone against Jesus teaching which included keeping the commandments. Jesus himself said he kept them. John 15;10
Revelations 14:12 John refers to the “patient endurance on the part of the saints who (1) obey GOD’S commandments and (2)remain faithful to JESUS.” Jesus said “if you love me keep my commandments” John 14:15
And since Malachi 3:6 says the Lord does not change. The commandments stand as God spoken and although rewritten by Moses for the people to have a copy to look at, they are separate. The Bible is a book about a just, holy, awesome God and the devil who is doing everything in his power to make God be anything but the true loving, just God he is. If God does not change then there is no reason at all for his laws to change. The whole, not just part stand. God said they desecrated His Sabbath Ezekiel 20:13,16,21,24. doesn’t sound like something He would just set aside since Ezekiel 20:12 God said it was to be “a sign between us, so they would know they would know that I the Lord made them holy” And the covenant was quoted concerning Old Testament laws. Hebrew 7:8-10 is a reference to Jeremiah 31:31-34. Same laws. This seems simple enough. Since Jesus said “I and the Father are one” John 10:30 then they are in agreement, it stands to reason Jesus didn’t abolish what was agreed upon with the Father to the point of keeping them. John 15:10 “if you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
John14:15, Leviticus 22:31, Duet 5:10, Exodus 16:28, “Keep My commandments” and the variations of the same. I don’t see any other way to interpret it, am I missing something? Looks pretty staight forward
8 years ago
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Anonymous
You know, I think Gregg has a point in saying the New Testament is not merely the Ten Commandments written in the heart, but the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Isaiah 51:7 identifies the Old testament people to already be "the people in whose heart is My Law". If we are just like them, what's the different?
Gregg's mistake was in thinking that it means we no longer keep the Ten bare minimum requirements of God, when in fact, the Spirit of Life of Christ Jesus living in you is the ultimate, perfect, fulfilled version of the law that of course include the Ten Commandments.
This reminds me of the 1888 debate. We ought to understand that it is the Lord Jesus Himself in us is the new covenant and our perfection. As long as we have Him as the King in us, keeping the Ten bare minimum requirements should be a piece of cake.
8 years ago
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Anonymous
hello brother doug. i have a question, why would christian follow like not eating the pork when it was said for the israel
.. thanks.. :
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7 years ago
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wesley_e_smith
All human being are effected by what they eat, drink and do. Not just Jews. Ask your doctor.
7 years ago
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wesley_e_smith
The clear difference between clean and unclean animals was given to Noah, long before Moses wrote Leviticus 11:
God did not just give health laws or the Sabbath to the Jews only. God is not arbitrary. He is particular. His Commandments are for our good always! Deuteronomy 6:24 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Pork, shell fish, sharks, cat fish and others listed that we are not to eat in Leviticus 11: are garbage eaters like the buzzard, skunk, etc. God does not want His children to eat second-hand garbage!
Remember what the first death penalty was for? Eating the forbidden fruit!
8 years ago
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redstarket
Romans 14:14 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."
It's not a sin to eat 'unclean' meat unless you deem it a sin. It was originally given by God to Israel for health reasons; unclean animals are mostly scavengers, which makes them really unhealthy for humans to digest. I personally don't eat them for these health reasons.
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wesley_e_smith
God deems eating unclean meat a sin! Isaiah 66:15 ¶ For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Those that reject God's counsel and are still eating the forbidden will be destroyed with the rest of the wicked when He returns in flaming fire, 2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8 years ago
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innocenthirwaharerimana
Thanks RedstarkeT, but the not-eating-unclean-meat guidelines came after the flood. That's why God told Noah to put 7 of each clean animal in the ark and only two of the unclean (Gen.7:1-4). Something doesn't become sin because I think so. It's breaking God's law. The eating laws aren't part of the 10 commandments, however, and Rom. 14:14 isn't really saying you can eat whatever you deem clean. The context was about Christians "weak" faith who thought some foods were unclean even though the Bible didn't say so (like food offered to idols. 1 Cor. 8:4)
8 years ago
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rosalindmorton
Read and re-read this passage to understand the purpose of the two covenants:
Galatians 3 King James Version (KJV)
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Referencing God's standards (His 10 commandment schoolmaster) points out our shortcomings (sins) which brings about our need for God's remedy (faith in Christ's sacrifice on the cross) to shield us from punishment (For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23 (KJV).).
We must take the time to prayerfully research the whole counsel of God which will encompass both Old and New Testaments. Jesus quoted the Old Testament and observed the seventh day Sabbath. We Christians must follow His example.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little. Isaiah 28:10 (KJV)
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wesley_e_smith
All are saved by Faith! Hebrews 11: makes it clear! From righteous Abel to the last person living in planet Earth when He returns. No one is saved by law. Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
The purpose of the Law was never to save anyone! It is to point out what sin is! The transgression of God's Law. 1John 3:4
Every good gift comes from God. James 1:17 and all of His Gifts are meant to bless and save us! Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
God changes not! Malachi 3:6 Hebrews 13:8
8 years ago
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Anonymous
“"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:28-29‬ ‭NASB‬‬
No pork, circumcision, observing Sabbath Saturday et cetera are bondage of the Law placed on the Christian. The Bible is clear that ceremonial Law is done away with.
“One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this-not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:5, 13‬ ‭NASB‬‬
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wesley_e_smith
So there was a prohibition on diet. no blood. I notice you left out Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day.
There was a starting point of learning. That was not to be the end of everything they were to learn. In Acts 10:31 Paul tells us much later, Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Remember Jesus' low opinion of swine? 26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Even science and the medical profession have ample proof that swine, shell fish, etc. are dangeous to eat! They are full of worms, parasites, and toxins.
No one will eat any meat in Heaven! They will not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain saith the lord. No death. Just like Eden. Genesis 1:26
8 years ago
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jjmkski
Romans is referring to the ceremonial Sabbath's not the seventh day. As Christians we are to take care of our temple and indeed endorses but not enforces the vegetarian diet which was the original human diet in Eden and considered to be the healthiest diet by many medical professionals today. However it is not a requirement to be a member of the SDA Church to be vegetarian in fact many still eat meat. Pork is very unhealthy anyway! There is no circumcision requirement. Let us not judge but it sounds like you are judging us. Contempt prior to investigation! God Bless.
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wesley_e_smith
Leviticus 23: lists all of the feast sabbaths and then delineates them from the Weekly Sabbath of the Lord in v. 37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38 BESIDE THE SABBATHS OF THE LORD.
7 years ago
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wesley_e_smith
We are not to judge anyone. We do not qualify! There is only One Judge of all the Earth=Jesus!
We are to make righteous judgment. Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
We are to tell others what the Righteous Judge has already said.
What Would Jesus Do? Remember Peter's response when told, Arise Peter, kill and eat? Not so Lord, I have never eaten anything common or unclean! Acts 10: It was God's shock treatment of a bigoted Jew that God planned to evangelize the gentiles. After 3 times of the creepy crawlies being offered to Peter and then taken back without him eating any of it. He wondered what it could mean? Then 3 men came to the door seeking him to come and preach the gospel to the gentiles! Then Peter understood. He put it this way! Acts 10:34 ¶ Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Peter's vision was not God's permission to eat what He had made plain was an abomination!
When invited to give the blessing at a church fundraising social that had tables heavily laden with pork, John asked, “Do you really want me to ask God’s Blessing?” They all agreed that is what they wanted because if they had John Wesley’s blessing, and by extension, God’s Blessing, they would be able to sell all of the prepared dishes.
“Bow your heads. Dear Lord, if thou canst bless that which thou hast cursed, please do so at this time, amen!”
8 years ago
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Hello Mr Constantin,
Great argument and indeed these verses in Acts 15:28-29 seem to uphold what you are saying. However a text taken out of context is nothing but a pretext. If you go back to verses 5 & 6 you will note: Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
The matter they came to discuss was circumcision and the law of Moses, which constituted the ceremonial law. Not the Ten commandments which is the moral law. The Sabbath was never a part of the ceremonial law as pastor Doug pointed out. It was established in Eden before sin entered (Gen 2:1-3), therefore cannot be a part of the ceremonial law.
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wesley_e_smith
Yes! The ceremonial and sacrifical laws were added because of transgression of the Moral Law. They were against us, contrary to us, of limited duration until Jesus would come, then as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world it would end. John 1:29
It did not do away with the Perfect Law that is eternal. The Law of the Lord is Perfect converting the soul. There is hope for the ignorant as well; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7
8 years ago
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Anonymous
We watched the debate twice yesterday. My wife had no trouble understanding what Pastor Doug presented, but she got really lost listening to Pastor Gregg. Was he really saying there is no law for "New Testament" Christians, only what they feel the law is in their hearts? She had to listen to it twice and still couldn't follow the intricacies of his argument. I generally find that subtlety of argument is not a common feature of Scripture. Stuff tends to be pretty plain and straightforward. The prophet Habakkuk (Hab. 2:2) was told by God to "Write the vision, and make it plain on tablets, that he who runs may read it." In other words, simple enough for a billboard. While I do enjoy deep theology, at the same time I find it difficult to accept the kind of theological gymnastics that results in it being okay for us to not be "these are they who keep the commandments and have the faith of Jesus," but to just decide whether or not I can skip over commandments I don't care for.
The fact that Hammurabi or other ancients were aware of some of the other commandments doesn't mean the ten on stone were derivative. Of course people are aware of the laws of God. We are built as human beings to know that we should not steal, lie, kill or be greedy. It's that God-shaped hole in us that keeps man trying to fill it with gods of His own making. Lately we've been trying to shove gods who look like us into that space. Many try to fill that God-shaped hole with themselves. Pastor Gregg's concept of the new covenant seems like part and parcel of the original deception in Eden - that our souls are immortal and if we know about good and evil, that's all we need to become gods ourselves It follows then that we can make up our own laws if there is no law except some nebulous personal extrapolation of "treat others the way you want to be treated." Reminds me of the 60s when the theme was "If it feels good, do it!"
The law, someone has said, is a teacher. Do we kill the teacher and put the children in charge of the classroom? Pastor Gregg also conflates the law of Moses and the Ten Commandments with the covenants old and new. The covenants were a separate thing from the law. The old covenant was the agreement between the Israelites and God where they agreed to obey the law in their own strength. That covenant was proposed by Israel, not by God. Even then, God meant for them to be bound by the new covenant which was basically, trust me and I will help you obey the law through My strength. The new covenant is restated repeatedly in the Old Testament, but it took Jesus' sacrifice to seal it with his people. It took the death of the Son of God for us to believe what God was offering to us.
I don't believe in magic - that God waves a wand and suddenly we know right from wrong and can think to change times and laws based on our own feelings. People aren't made like that. I do believe in the supernatural - God above nature, outside of time and space and encompassing our physical universe and existence. I believe a relationship with the creator of the universe will change our hearts. It works because we are connected to Him who is beyond nature who draws us upward to Himself. We're just now in the past few decades learning how the human mind works. New therapy techniques look more and more like the kind of things Christians have been doing for two millenia in order to have peace within and to become better people. Jesus, because He is the Creator, understood how our minds work and how to build his church so that what we do helps us become one with the Father and suited to live forever without messing up the universe again.
The law is a critical part of that sanctification process. The ten commandments obviously were in effect prior to Mt. Sinai and remind us of what should have been had we not rebelled in Eden. The Mosaic Law pointed forward to Christ in every detail of its services. When Christ came, he brought us back to the original natural law of God as spelled out in the commandments.
When John said "These are they who keep the commandments," he could have meant no other commandments than the Decalogue, that was written on stone. What is different now is that God has written those commandments upon our hearts this time. We must agree to the terms of the New Covenant in order for that to happen. God says he changes not. I seriously doubt He is going to revise his commandments or revoke them.
Doing away with the Law would seem to me a surrender to Satan's original proposal - that there be no law and everyone gets to be a god and decide for himself what laws to obey.
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Synickel
It's interesting that people that listened to the debate and called in, were convinced to keep the Sabbath. What puzzles me is how in the world someone who understands and studies the Bible like Gregg does, can hear the truth and the Bible reasons for it, and still believe a lie. These things puzzle me as I have always desired to be able to recognize and error in my beliefs, and have no trouble admitting I was wrong when I saw what was correct. I hate to be wrong or fooled, so love to let it go when I am.
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wesley_e_smith
Jesus said in John 17:7 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
My Father, David F. Smith, Sr. a pastor and evangelist put it this way, A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still!
Gregg according to Isaiah 8:20 has NO LIGHT in him. To the Law and to the Testimiony. If they speak not according to this Word, there is NO LIGHT in them.
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Mrs_Sand
That is because you are a sincere Christian, you understand that God and His truths are way bigger than us all put together, and that we will never bend God's arm in anyway. "What I have written, I have written", the only smart thing Pilate said, and we should be brave and recognize that "His word stands forever", that "He changes not", that "He is the same forever", then recognizing this will put us in the right path "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee."
No, we love Him too much to rebel against Him; actually we thank Him not only for coming and dying for a disobedient race, but we thank Him for giving us in advance the rules of this amazing plan of Salvation: "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;".
We will keep His word out of love, there is no other way. Thank you righteous Father for the strength and the power you give us by day to obey your will!