Should Christians Keep The Sabbath?

THERE IS A GROWING INTEREST IN THE "LUNAR SABBATH"...SINCE THE WORD LUNAR DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE NKJV WHAT IS THE SUPPOSED HEBREW EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THE SO CALLED LUNAR SABBATH...???

In response to Steve: Video @ 1h17min
John 5: 18"Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God."
In explaining that Jesus broke the Sabbath and claiming that He can do whatever He wants because He is the Lord even of the Sabbath, Steve mentions that some say “He can’t break the Sabbath, that would make Him a sinner.” Steve then goes on to say “No. It would not. He is the Lord of the Sabbath. He has authority to do whatever He wants on the Sabbath. He is not under the Sabbath, it’s under Him if He is the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is under Him not Him under it. Just like a policeman can go down the highway at 90miles an hour, over the speed limit certainly, with his lights flashing and the siren on because he is authorized to. I can’t do that, I’d be breaking a law that I’m not allowed to break. The policeman is violating the speed limit but he is authorized to do it. Jesus could violate the Sabbath or many other laws like the dietary laws. He could let people touch Him if they’ve got an issue of blood. He could do things that the law didn’t permit because He is the Lord. He is the Lord of the Sabbath.”
This analogy bothered me a lot. Because it suggests that whatever Jesus could have done that He didn’t do, God the Father would have looked at it as no problem whatsoever because Jesus was equal to Him. It suggests that Jesus could have turned those stones into bread to eat, He could have jumped off that building and command angels to catch Him, or He could even have worshiped the devil and God the Father would have looked at that as no problem whatsoever because Jesus is the Lord, because He can do whatever he wants?
The policeman, in the analogy above, is authorized to drive over the speed limit to catch law offenders not to please himself. This analogy of Jesus as a policeman is against the Bible. When that policeman catches the law offender, he gives him or her a ticket which the offender will have to pay or go to court to argue against the policeman. Jesus cannot be looked at as the police in this analogy because the Bible says, in John 3:17 (and this is Jesus speaking): “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” Jesus didn’t come to condemn those who weren’t keeping the law, He came to show us how to keep the law as it was previously intended. The right analogy is, if we want to stick with the policeman, “take the policeman, put him in a civilian car, and let him drive within the speed limit so that he can be a good example for the civilians. Once he has done all of that, allow him to be killed so that he can pay the price of all the people who have driven above the speed limit.”

The Sabbath is the 7th day Saturday. God bless you Pastor Doug, I have been praying for Steve Gregg.
In the new testament Jesus went to the synogog on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given to man period, for us that we might spend time with our creator. Sabbath was made for man and man not for the Sabbath."In the days of Abiathar the high priest, He entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And He also gave some to his companions." Then He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.
"Mark Chapter 2. Jesus forgives sins, heals a paralytic, eats with tax gatherers and sinners, and announces that He is Lord of the Sabbath.
1.  And again He entered into Capernaum after somedays; and it was noised that He was in the house.
2.  And straightway many were gathered together, in so much that there was no room to receive them, no, not so much as about the door: and He preached the word unto them.
3.  And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four.
4.  And when they could not come nigh unto Him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken it up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay. 5.  When Jesus saw their faith, He said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. 6.  But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7.  Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
8.  And immediately when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
9.  Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
10.  But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
11.  I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
12.  And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.
13.  And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.
14.  And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphæus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
15.  And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.
16.  And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
17.  When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
18.  And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?
19.  And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
20.  But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
21.  No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
22.  And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles. 23.  And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24.  And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25.  And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26.  How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27.  And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28.  Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
IT'S  ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE THAT THE SABBATH WAS KEPT NOT ONLY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BUT ALSO IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. I PRAY FOR STEVE GREGG THAT THE SCALES WILL FALL FROM HIS EYES God bless you Pastor Doug

YAHUSHUWAH said the SABBATH was made for man, HE did not say it was made for Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Hebrews, the Israelites, Levis, Benjamin or the Jews. He said it was made for MAN. That means EVERYONE who ever lived. Enough said!!!!!!!!

The Sabbath was embodied in the law given from Sinai; but it was not then first made known as a day of rest. The people of Israel had a knowledge of it before they came to Sinai. On the way thither the Sabbath was kept. When some profaned it, the Lord reproved them, saying, “How long refuse ye to keep My commandments and My laws?” Exodus 16:28.
The Sabbath was not for Israel merely, but for the world. It had been made known to man in Eden, and, like the other precepts of the Decalogue, it is of imperishable obligation. Of that law of which the fourth commandment forms a part, Christ declares, “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law.” So long as the heavens and the earth endure, the Sabbath will continue as a sign of the Creator’s power. And when Eden shall bloom on earth again, God’s holy rest day will be honored by all beneath the sun. “From one Sabbath to another” the inhabitants of the glorified new earth shall go up “to worship before Me, saith the Lord.” Matthew 5:18; Isaiah 66:23.
No other institution which was committed to the Jews tended so fully to distinguish them from surrounding nations as did the Sabbath. God designed that its observance should designate them as His worshipers. It was to be a token of their separation from idolatry, and their connection with the true God. But in order to keep the Sabbath holy, men must themselves be holy. Through faith they must become partakers of the righteousness of Christ. When the command was given to Israel, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy,” the Lord said also to them, “Ye shall be holy men unto Me.” Exodus 20:8; 22:31. Only thus could the Sabbath distinguish Israel as the worshipers of God.
As the Jews departed from God, and failed to make the righteousness of Christ their own by faith, the Sabbath lost its significance to them. Satan was seeking to exalt himself and to draw men away from Christ, and he worked to pervert the Sabbath, because it is the sign of the power of Christ. The Jewish leaders accomplished the will of Satan by surrounding God’s rest day with burdensome requirements. In the days of Christ the Sabbath had become so perverted that its observance reflected the character of selfish and arbitrary men rather than the character of the loving heavenly Father. The rabbis virtually represented God as giving laws which it was impossible for men to obey. They led the people to look upon God as a tyrant, and to think that the observance of the Sabbath, as He required it, made men hard-hearted and cruel. It was the work of Christ to clear away these misconceptions. Although the rabbis followed Him with merciless hostility, He did not even appear to conform to their requirements, but went straight forward, keeping the Sabbath according to the law of God.
Upon one Sabbath day, as the Saviour and His disciples returned from the place of worship, they passed through a field of ripening grain. Jesus had continued His work to a late hour, and while passing through the fields, the disciples began to gather the heads of grain, and to eat the kernels after rubbing them in their hands. On any other day this act would have excited no comment, for one passing through a field of grain, an orchard, or a vineyard, was at liberty to gather what he desired to eat. See Deuteronomy 23:24, 25. But to do this on the Sabbath was held to be an act of desecration. Not only was the gathering of the grain a kind of reaping, but the rubbing of it in the hands was a kind of threshing. Thus, in the opinion of the rabbis, there was a double offense.
The spies at once complained to Jesus, saying, “Behold, Thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the Sabbath day.”
When accused of Sabbathbreaking at Bethesda, Jesus defended Himself by affirming His Sonship to God, and declaring that He worked in harmony with the Father. Now that the disciples are attacked, He cites p 285 His accusers to examples from the Old Testament, acts performed on the Sabbath by those who were in the service of God.
The Jewish teachers prided themselves on their knowledge of the Scriptures, and in the Saviour’s answer there was an implied rebuke for their ignorance of the Sacred Writings. “Have ye not read so much as this,” He said, “what David did, when himself was an hungered, and they which were with him; how he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, … which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?” “And He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.” “Have ye not read in the law, how that on the Sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.” “The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.” Luke 6:3, 4; Mark 2:27, 28; Matthew 12:5, 6.
If it was right for David to satisfy his hunger by eating of the bread that had been set apart to a holy use, then it was right for the disciples to supply their need by plucking the grain upon the sacred hours of the Sabbath. Again, the priests in the temple performed greater labor on the Sabbath than upon other days. The same labor in secular business would be sinful; but the work of the priests was in the service of God. They were performing those rites that pointed to the redeeming power of Christ, and their labor was in harmony with the object of the Sabbath. But now Christ Himself had come. The disciples, in doing the work of Christ, were engaged in God’s service, and that which was necessary for the accomplishment of this work it was right to do on the Sabbath day.
Christ would teach His disciples and His enemies that the service of God is first of all. The object of God’s work in this world is the redemption of man; therefore that which is necessary to be done on the Sabbath in the accomplishment of this work is in accord with the Sabbath law. Jesus then crowned His argument by declaring Himself the “Lord of the Sabbath,”—One above all question and above all law. This infinite Judge acquits the disciples of blame, appealing to the very statutes they are accused of violating.
White, E. G. (1898). The Desire of Ages (Vol. 3, pp. 283–285). Pacific Press Publishing Association.

I believe this Debate was against the Counsel of the Spirit of Prophecy. When you look into the lives of people like Moses Hull and MD Canright, all of them were consider the greatest evangelist of their time, unfortunately they both lost their track when they engaged in debating our faith. I consider this an improper and unsafe movement for our church. I really feel sad about this. Hope everyone take time to read the proper counsel we have in regards debating doctrinal points. We should be ready to answer to all who demand an answer from us, but we shouldn't be looking to create an opportunity to debate. The truth will stand for itself and we do not need to go into this kind of methods to win souls. As a matter of fact I believe this would be detrimental for our growth. May the Lord bless all those that are searching for the truth.

It never ceases to amaze me Satan's lies and how tightly they are spun and difficult it is for people to see the truth. The Holy Spirit will lead you to all truth. Are we studying the bible without asking the Holy Spirit's presence? How come truth that is very plainly in the word will be taken out of context. Why is it so hard to Remember the 4th commandment? God knew we would forget it.....

If you remove the ten commandments ( characters and nature of our Savior , JESUS ) from the Bible and your heart ? Then you are done and doomed.

Yes Jesus commands Christians to obey the Ten Commandments in the New Testament. In Matt. 23:1-3 Jesus instructing the multitude (Gentiles) and the disciples (NT church) about what the scribes and Pharisees were teaching in the temple at that time. Jesus said do what they instruct you to "observe" - which includes the fourth commandment with its 7 day week with the 7th day being holy unto God based on creation, but don't observe it the way they do because they are legalistic.

When you reject the 4th commandment you deny Jesus existence as well as his authority over this world. Is. 9:6,7 foretold Jesus would be born, a new government would be on his shoulder, and he would "order" the increase of that government.
The fourth commandment has two parts: a seven day week and the keeping of the seventh day as holy unto the lord. If Jesus fulfilled the seventh day sabbath and nailed it to the cross then he also fullfilled and ended the seven day week and would have never allowed the seven day week to come into common practice for Christians and the entire world. The Roman Empire at the time of Christ observed an eight day week, and did so until 321 A.D. when Emperor Constantine made the seven day week the law of the land to honor the Christians that observed it. The fact that the entire world now observes the seven day week is proof the fourth commandment did not pass away at the cross, but stands as absolute proof that Jesus is in control of this world.
Adventists need to focus on the other half the fourth commandment, the seven day week, and put these debaters to shame. No Christian can say they are not under the fourth commandment that was only given to the Jews when there are keeping the seven day week of that same fourth commandment! The seven day week is proof the government of Jesus exists, that it has increased, that Jesus is in control!

At 1:22:48 is one of the futile argument presented. That because Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath, he could violate it and do whatever he wanted on the Sabbath, then an illustration is given of a policeman going above the speed limit. At that time the new covenant was not put into place so using the theory of Steve the law was still in charge (not that I believe that the law was abolished, far from me that thought). The Sabbath commandment was embedded into the law. Jesus was not only Lord over the Sabbath but was Lord over the whole law, he was the one who spoke the law. If Jesus could violate the Sabbath because he was the Lord of the Sabbath, then he could violate all the other commandments and go away with it.
Sorry but this is a perverted gospel. Jesus never sinned, he never violated ANY of the commandments.

I believe it was a well run discussion and as always I am thankful for what the Lord does through Amazing Facts. Hopefully it gets people studying the Word for themselves so God can bring them to see the Truth..... For now I would just like to bring up one point that is troubling me, that is the point that Mr Gregg stated about Jesus being free to break His own Law, hmmm, I think that idea totally goes against what God is and His Character as we know Him through Jesus and His Law (He is always the same and never changes). A god that would do that sure sounds like Satan to me, that point is another one of satans deceptions. Not to mention if Jesus broke Gods Law He would not be the Lamb without spot or blemish (the Law is still broken whether He had the authority or not) and could not have saved us. As far as spreading the Gospel goes, I believe it is like observing the Commandments of God, if you fail at one point you fail at them all.... Also just thinking, NKJV Luke 23:55,56, the Sabbath commandment was not nailed to the cross, they observed it after Jesus died. Praise The Lord for the Sabbath!...Lets pray for our fellow believers in Jesus.

Many in the Christian world also have a veil before their eyes and heart. They do not see to the end of that which was done away. They do not see that it was only the ceremonial law which was abrogated at the death of Christ. They claim that the moral law was nailed to the cross. Heavy is the veil that darkens their understanding. The hearts of many are at war with God. They are not subject to His law. Only as they shall come into harmony with the rule of His government can Christ be of any avail to them. They may talk of Christ as their Saviour; but He will finally say to them, I know you not. You have not exercised genuine repentance toward God for the transgression of His holy law, and you cannot have genuine faith in Me, for it was My mission to exalt God’s law

very good discussion; however, the Word of God is clear that the Sabbath is still binding to believers. There's a blessing in keeping it.

I do not think this debate has helped anybody, rather may have cause many to stumble/confuse. Steve made many points and misinterpreted Galatians. Also he mentioned Mosses was redbellies and he asked people cease the work, but did not keep the Sabbath prior to Sinai. Pastor Dough couldn't emphasis the fact salvation by grace through faith properly. For me this is unnecessary and may have confuse many believers. This is in spite the council given by E.G White to not to debate on Doctoring since advisory is always looking to misinterpret the bible. very bad decision and I hope AFTV will not do such things any longer

I WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH the brotherly and Christian tone in which the discussion was conducted. The wives of the two presenters sat side by side demonstrating sisterhood, and the conversation was respectful right throughout. I was most impressed with how Doug Batchelor demonstrated the loving spirit of Jesus as he interacted with the audience and with his "opponent", whom at the end he hugged most graciously. No sharp words uttered, no insults traded; just two opposing views sharing what their convictions are and why. So whether you agreed with Doug's position or not, you cant say he allowed Satan's spirit to take over the debate, or that he was ungracious and combative. And it set the tone for the entire discourse. God be praised!!
As for the content of the debate, I do think some loose ends were not tied up on both sides, but at least we see clearly what both sides are saying, and the listeners are free to decide for themselves based on what was said in the basics!

it was a good initiative to get two different views. I was disapointed with Steve when he said Jesus broke the law ( fortunately it is according to the Jewish leader) and on his radio broadcast he is more assertive but here he was contradicting himself and did not even brought "the stronger" argument that i would expected of someone of his calibre . My remark on Doug : seems likehe was holding himself. If God made something Holy : it is Holy; Do I want to accept it or I chose my own conviction?

The main topic of discussion should be "Is the 7th day still carrying it's holiness?"

A lot of good points were mentioned by Doug. Many points were made by Steve. Do I see a winner in this debate? Yes, I do. I just won't mention who the winner is.